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Naisao sam na nesto zanimljivo kada sam napravio stroga podesavanja na Kaspersky Anti Hacker firewall-u. Blokirao sam sve portove osim sljedecih:
20 - ftp
21 - ftp data
25 - smtp
53 - dns
80 - http
110 - pop3
443 - https
Blokirao sam i ove IP adrese:
193.189.170.198
193.189.170.199
193.189.170.200
Zanima me cije su to IP adrese jer kad idem na neke sajtove recimo yahoo, white hous pa sam probao neke sajtove o oruziju firewall iskace sa porukom da je blokirao pakete koji su pokusali da odu na gore navedene adrese i to po jedno 7 - 8 zaredom. Da napomenem da nemam nikakav virus, a i to se desava jos na tri racunara na kojim smo probali kolega i ja.
Evo log file od juce:
4:13:11 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2023 ev1s-64-246-11-66.ev1servers.net : 6667 444-65536 Blocked
4:13:35 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2023 ev1s-64-246-11-66.ev1servers.net : 6667 444-65536 Blocked
4:13:36 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2023 ev1s-64-246-11-66.ev1servers.net : 6667 444-65536 Blocked
4:13:37 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:13:38 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2023 ev1s-64-246-11-66.ev1servers.net : 6667 444-65536 Blocked
4:13:46 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:13:47 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:13:49 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:14:39 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:14:39 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:14:40 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:14:40 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:14:40 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:14:40 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1369 192.168.1.28 : 139 111-442 Blocked
4:19:06 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2339 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:22 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2339 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:23 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2340 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:23 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2340 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:31 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2347 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:34 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2347 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:42 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2347 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:52 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2347 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:54 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2361 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:55 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2362 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:57 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2363 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:58 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2361 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:58 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2362 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:19:59 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2363 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:02 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2361 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:04 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2362 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:05 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2363 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:06 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2375 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:09 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2375 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:15 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2375 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:20 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2386 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:23 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2386 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:29 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2386 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:20:41 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2386 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:22:46 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2443 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:22:49 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2443 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:22:51 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2444 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:22:54 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2444 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:23:00 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2444 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:23:03 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2444 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:23:04 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2445 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:23:07 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2445 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:23:11 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2445 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:25:40 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2472 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:25:40 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2472 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:25:42 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2475 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:25:45 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2475 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:25:51 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2475 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:25:53 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2475 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
4:28:40 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2374 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:37 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2374 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:37 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2374 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:39 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2374 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:43 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2395 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:44 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2395 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:44 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2396 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:44 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2395 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:44 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2371 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:29:51 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2374 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:30:30 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2396 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:30:32 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2395 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:30:32 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2371 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
4:30:58 PM 11/24/2005 incoming TCP Raspudic : 2396 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
5:38:34 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2913 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
5:38:50 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2913 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
5:38:51 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 2913 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
5:38:53 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 2913 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:34:39 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4560 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:35:34 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4560 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:35:34 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4560 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:35:35 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4560 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:35:35 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4566 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:35:36 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4566 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:35:36 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4566 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:35:37 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4566 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:01 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4576 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:36:04 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4576 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:36:10 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4576 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:36:22 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4576 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:36:23 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4579 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:25 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4579 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:31 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4579 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:38 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4579 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:39 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4583 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:42 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4583 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:36:48 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4583 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:37:00 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4583 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:37:16 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4587 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:37:17 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4587 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:37:18 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4587 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:37:21 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4587 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:37:22 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4588 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:37:24 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4588 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:37:30 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4588 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:37:32 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4588 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:38:11 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4683 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:38:50 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4683 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:38:51 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4683 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:38:52 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4683 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:38:52 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4697 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:38:53 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4697 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:38:53 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4697 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:38:54 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4697 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
7:38:54 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4698 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:38:56 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4698 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:39:02 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 4698 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
7:39:14 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 4698 193.189.170.198 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
8:02:42 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1108 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
8:03:12 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1108 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
8:04:13 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1108 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
8:04:14 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 1108 193.189.170.199 : HTTP (80) zajeb1 Blocked
8:04:14 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1109 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
8:04:14 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1109 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
8:04:14 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP Raspudic : 1109 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
8:04:15 PM 11/24/2005 outgoing TCP 0.0.0.0 : 1109 193.189.170.200 : HTTP (80) zajeb2 Blocked
Da li ste vi imali ovakvo iskustvo?
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 10:44
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Imao sam slicne napade na irc serverima pri konektovanju.
20 - ftp
21 - ftp data
25 - smtp
53 - dns
80 - http
110 - pop3
443 - https
Zabrani ove portove.
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 11:03
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Ne mogu da blokiram te portove jer mi trebaju za navedene stvari.
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 13:35
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Sto se tice tih IP adresa, to se veoma lako sazna pomocu www.ripe.net :
% This is the RIPE Whois query server #2.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% Note: the default output of the RIPE Whois server
% is changed. Your tools may need to be adjusted. See
% http://www.ripe.net/db/news/abuse-proposal-20050331.html
% for more details.
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% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/copyright.html
% Note: This output has been filtered.
% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag
% Information related to '193.189.160.0 - 193.189.191.255'
inetnum: 193.189.160.0 - 193.189.191.255
org: ORG-SId2-RIPE
netname: SI-TELEKOM-960419
descr: ALLOCATED BLOCK
descr: Provider Local Registry
descr: SiOL d.o.o.
country: SI
admin-c: SIT111-RIPE
tech-c: SIT111-RIPE
status: ALLOCATED PA
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
remarks: Please send abuse & spam notification to abuse@siol.net
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-lower: AS5603-MNT
mnt-routes: AS5603-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
organisation: ORG-SId2-RIPE
org-name: SiOL Internet d.o.o.
org-type: LIR
address: Cigaletova 15
address: 1000
address: LJUBLJANA
address: Slovenia
phone: +386 1 473 00 00
fax-no: +386 1 473 00 17
admin-c: VM439-RIPE
mnt-ref: AS5603-MNT
mnt-ref: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
role: SiOL Internet Team - Ripe
address: SiOL d.o.o.
address: Cigaletova 15
address: 1000 Ljubljana
address: Slovenia
phone: +386-1-473-00-00
fax-no: +386-1-473-00-84
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
remarks: Please send abuse & spam notification to abuse@siol.net
remarks: -------------------------------------------------------
admin-c: VM439-RIPE
tech-c: ROK11-RIPE
tech-c: EDO11-RIPE
abuse-mailbox: abuse@siol.net
nic-hdl: SIT111-RIPE
mnt-by: AS5603-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
% Information related to '193.189.160.0/19AS5603'
route: 193.189.160.0/19
descr: SiOL.SI, Provider Aggregated Block
descr: SiOL Internet d.o.o.
descr: Internet Service Provider in Slovenia
origin: AS5603
mnt-by: AS5603-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 14:11
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Pa to je tvoj isp. Blokirao si ISp i zato imas problema.
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 15:21
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Portovi koji su navedeni su neophodni za normalno funkcionisanje servera... E sad, recimo mozilla koristi obicno port 4000 i nesto (nisam siguran) za sebe, svaki program ima po neki port koji otvori (za sebe)... Ovako si napravio suvise sigurnu kombinaciju, toliko sigurnu da je jedina sigurnija opcija da se skacis sa neta i nikad vise ne konektujes... Ona 3 servera su verovatno dns serveri ili nesto slicno, a mrsko mi sad da gledam ovaj ripe...
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 15:24
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Nisam blokirao svog provajdera. Ta IP nema veze sa mojim provajderom.
Na onom linku kaze: Internet Service Provider in Slovenia - al ni blizu
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 15:27
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@davor.r evo sad sam probao da odem na te sajtove isto imam Kah, normalno odma je reagovao i onda sam sakrio moj IPkoji je bio 212.200.59.93 ito mi je prijavio www.ripe.net a posle sakrivanja je prijavio sledece Proxy62.59.31.62 Netherlands. jel sam se preko njih konektovao, a kao sto kaze ruff_ryder i sam si video zbog cega ti je to uradio,prate da kazemo saobracaj, inace ovaj program Hide Ip je legalan i mozes da skines slobodno pa probaj??a namerno sam isao preko dial up-a i IE
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Poslao: 25 Nov 2005 15:48
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Prate saobracaj, ok to je u redu, ali kakvi to paketi sa mog racunara idu tamo. Zar se saobracaj tako prati (neznam zato i pitam).
Netreba mi Hide IP, neradim ja nista lose, ali hvala ti.
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Poslao: 26 Nov 2005 14:18
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jel moze neko da izdvoji onu temu o hide IP programima koji rade za operu i FF ?
ne radimo ni mi nista lose,ali kad te neko smara sa skeniranjem portova,najbolje da se sakrijes,,tj...
drugi rade nesto lose.
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